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A recent online discussion over what defines a "Superhero", inspired me to take those ideas and drag them out as a journal post here.

It started with me discussing that while the main character of my comic, "The Wellkeeper", has incredible powers that she uses in heroic ways, I don't think of her as a "superhero". If you simply that the word itself and break it down, it's definition should simply be that. A hero with "super" abilities.  Andi it's implied in the term that these abilities should be beyond the scope of a normal human.

But that's not the cultural definition of a superhero, is it? Batman is called a "superhero" in spite of having zero powers. The only real thing that separates him from James Bond is the costume, (And the habit to recruit teenage sidekicks) but nobody would ever think to call Bond a superhero. Why not? His identity as an MI6 agent is not public knowledge, he uses intense fighting skills and gadgets to fight crime and stop evildoers. He just tends to wear nice suits rather then tights and a mask.

The more I think about what defines a "superhero", the more I realize that the defining traits are totally superficial and have nothing to do with what the word itself describes. The distinctions are largely subtle (an interesting word combo, to be sure) and often arbitrary. There are a ton of very popular heroes with fantastic powers that aren't considered "superheroes", mostly because of superficial tropes that have become permanently linked with the definition of a superhero.

By all accounts, Luke Skywalker, Harry Potter, Frodo and even characters like "The Wellkeeper's" Zoe are by every literal translation of the term, "Superheroes". But they don't have melodramatic costumes, secret identities or any of the other trappings that define the cultural idea of what is a superhero. It's strange and slightly disrespectful of the term to limit it like that.

Hell, by the most straight forward interpretation of the term "superhero", even the ever-so-hated Edward Cullen from "Twilight" is one. He has special powers that he uses in a variety of heroic ways. But it's interesting to note that if you used this criteria to define him as such, you'd probably raise the ire of both superhero fans AND Twilight fans as each tends to consider their interest as somehow better then the other, when they're really the same damn thing.

Are the superficial trappings of a silly costume and secret identity THAT essential? Or is it more tied to the medium of comics? Most people don't define characters like the Power Rangers as "Super heroes" when they meet ALL the criteria, both literal and cultural. Except that that was a TV show and not a comic book first and foremost. (I admit that unlike most of the other examples I've made, there are far more people that DO include the Power Rangers as "superheroes" then, say, Bond or Harry Potter) It seems to me, that for American superhero fans, a superhero is defined as someone who wears a costume to fight crime/evil as created and seen first and foremost in an American comic book.

Now, sometimes, the media will cover something like a comic book movie and get it right, but still infuriate comic fans because of the arbitrary definitions. I recall news stories about "Hellboy II: The Golder Army" that defined Mike Mignola's iconic character as a superhero. And damn it, he TOTALLY is. But some comic fans I know cried foul because... well... I don't quite get why. Because heroing is actually his job? Because he doesn't wear tights? Why are these distinctions so dang arbitrary?

It's like some kind of infinity loop of nonsense designed to BE purposefully difficult to understand.
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*StevenRoy May 31, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Some good points there.

I would think that the difference between "super powers" and just "powers" would depend a lot on how many other people have the same powers. For example, you had to bring up "Twilight" for some reason. Now, having avoided the books and the movies like the plague, I can only assume, but I'd think that the one vampire guy's powers come entirely from being a vampire, and all the others of his kind has the exact same powers. For that reason, I wouldn't classify them as "super powers". Therefore, I'm spared any temptation whatsoever to place any characters from those books and movies into the same category as Superman, Spiderman, the X-Men, Kid Cosmic and Dogstar, Hellboy et cetera...

And wow, I really didn't realize how much of a grey area Batman was until you compared him to James Bond. I might need to think about that one for a while! The major difference between those two, I guess, would be one of personality. It's not just the outfit Batman wears, for example, but the reason for it: taking on a larger-than-life identity for the purpose of drawing attention to himself and giving villains and criminals a name to fear. One could argue that nearly every superhero's uniform is for the same purpose. James Bond, on the other hand, is a British spy. In that line of work, drawing too much attention is generally a bad career move. Even if he had all of Batman's gadgets (and he probably did in at least one movie), the personality difference could be where the major distinction between "hero" and "superhero" is.

...Or something like that. Or maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about here.

(And now, to compare James Bond to Dr. Who. Have fun with -that- one, internet!)
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I think people want to put things in a box- 'superhero' has to be a) costumed, and b) in a comic book. That said, I've never looked at superheroes in this way. I always defined them by their media- 'comic book' superheroes, 'TV' superheroes. The Power Rangers, as strange as it sounds, are superheroes. Edward Cullen, not so much, because superheroes use their powers for something bigger then their own wants and needs. I think that's what a superhero should be- a person with special abilities (costume applicable, but not necessary) who fights to preserve something bigger then themselves

And I say Batman does count, because he's a normal guy who has trained himself to be the peak of human potential, mentally and physically. It's not a super-solider formula, but it's a power to me.
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~derrickfish May 28, 2011  Professional Artist
Batman is really the linchpin of this to me. What you define as a power is completely possible for almost any person to achieve through hard work and practice, although likely not to the unrealistic degrees often given to Batman. It's skill and amazing ability, but to call it a power is, from my perspective, diminish the idea of an ACTUAL, measurable power.

Once you allow the wiggle room for Bat's to squeeze in as a "super" hero and not just a hero, the term "super" looses it's meaning. I just feel like "super" should mean something more than a positive affirmation.
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I would disagree, mainly because Batman, in the comics at least, spent fifteen years traveling the world learning every martial art, every escape, every chemical, etc. For a person in the real world, that's simply impossible to do. Yes, a person could train and get close to being Batman, but no one could ever BE Batman.

I will however, agree that it is more of a skill then a power, and that it certainly shouldn't be placed next to heat vision and superstrength. For me though, it's the closest thing a real person could have to superpowers, so it should count to some degree.
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~derrickfish May 28, 2011  Professional Artist
I still love me some Batman, so I'm not gonna argue too much. lol

More then anything, I just had these thoughts running through my brain and wanted to inflict them upon the world.
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Batman's classification of "powers" falls along the same lines as Joker's insanity being a "power".

Batman Begins/Dark Knight had a more realistic, believable Batman. What he did was heroic, but far from super. Superman is super, and mostly depicted as a tool (or back in the 40s a dick).

So I guess in the case of Batman, he has no superpowers to corrupt him like the others do, which is usually why he's the designated one to take the others down if they go rouge. No one tried to turn Batman evil, just against himself.
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i believe a hero wether he has powers or not is someone who stands for ideals and protects those that cant fight for themselves i mean look at the greek myths with the demigods they had powers above the rest of but they suffers a lot herc more then most and batman is a super hero its his will and drive and brain that are almost super human
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~derrickfish May 28, 2011  Professional Artist
Batman is a great, albeit fictional, hero. One of my all time favorite characters to boot, but isn't really a "super" hero. While he possesses "almost" superhuman skills, he's still not technically 'super". Just my thoughts on the subject.
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thats ok with me
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:iconrexcocorps:
All the players in Watchmen were called "superheroes" yet they were disturbed individuals.
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